Sustainable Livelihoods

Jakarta, 15 to 17 January 2002

Interregional Consultative Expert Meeting
on disability-sensitive policy design and evaluation
for sustainable livelihoods for all in the twenty-first century

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Question & Answer session
with Scott Brown

9:00 - 9:30am, Wednesday, January 16, 2002.

Dr. Sudibyo Markus: How do we develop standards for indicators? Can indicators be developed from the UNDP Human Development Index?

Scott: When thinking about standards for indicators, I believe it is important to take into account the answer to the following questions - what are the standards for all persons? Thus, as we develop standards for monitoring the World Programme of Action or the Standard Rules, we need to discern what standards are being employed for programmes related to economics, women, habitats and the like. For example, the United Nations is currently considering indicators for sustainable development. As it moves towards these indicators, disability programmes need to also examine these indicators and employ them where feasible. This has at least two benefits. First, it allows for comparisons of results for persons with disabilities vis-a-vis the total population. Second, it becomes clear that the disability community is interfacing with the development community and allows us to develop a common language. This offers the potential for greater acceptance by the development, human rights and other communities that do not traditionally view disability as part of their portfolio.

Dr. Sudibyo Markus: It is important to develop a set of indicators having to do with how a disabled person is interacting with their family and community. Is there such a mechanism?

Scott: This question, I believe, is the critical question. The importance of such a mechanism cannot be overstated. If I may reiterate an important point in the Expert Group Report - we can look at the environment and what a person does, but unless we understand the interaction of the person with the environment, it is unlikely we will ever understand the measures we need to take to improve the environment and the quality of that interaction. Now, the bad news - as far as I know, there are not highly developed measures available for indicators. This is why the Expert Group recommended that work begin to systematically develop the concept of access - whether the issue is access to housing, schools, community or family interactions. The Group recommended that seven dimensions of access be evaluated in order to discern whether access to any environment has been achieved. I would have to note, however, that some measurement work needs to be done in this area.

Dr. Handojo: How do we determine who (NGOs, government, institutions, community)....

[Question not completed. Session ended due to time constraints.]


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